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D I Z Z O · Aug 09, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

If you consider this worthy of a petition, then sign it.

To make this simple without ranting about every aspect of pvp-pve. Ill state one idea.

-Separate the skill changes/nerfs & tweaks from PVP and PVE
Have it to where when people enter a PVP outpost/arena that there be one skillset designed specifically for PVP and one for PVE.

Dont nerf skills or "tweak" shit because people who play matches whine. What about PVE only players? They have to suffer the longer recharge times, higher energy costs, exhaustion, and armor/weapon nerfs just because these spoiled punk kids want the game tailored to thier every complaint so they can win more matches or feel better about themselves. If they want a change, let it be for them only. NOT the rest of the community who plays this game for the fun of PVE.

I dont enjoy things like "Removed the increased attack rate and decreased damage attributes from the fire wand found at the collector outside of Nolani Academy." (im sure this was cryed about & nerfed because use in gvg)
I also feel that Grenths Balance was tweaked because I dont see the same effect as it used to have while Im at half health and enemy is at full health.

But whatever. Im done.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Aug 09, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by D I Z Z O

Dont nerf skills or "tweak" shit because people who play matches whine.

That's hilarious. You're saying PVP players whine...yet you're crying about skills being changed in PVE. PVE is so static and so damn easy that I dont know why you're complaining.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Aug 09, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

Maybe skills are tweaked for both PvP and PvE? *gasp* Things can be unbalanced for both at the same time, alternate skill descriptions would not work out.

CHUIU · Aug 09, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

If you do that then you're forcing people who play both to remember 2 sets of skills, not 1. I wish you PvE players would stop whining.

And for the record, ANET balances things the way they see fit. They don't listen to individuals who whine.

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Originally Posted by D I Z Z O

I dont enjoy things like "Removed the increased attack rate and decreased damage attributes from the fire wand found at the collector outside of Nolani Academy." (im sure this was cryed about & nerfed because use in gvg)
I also feel that Grenths Balance was tweaked because I dont see the same effect as it used to have while Im at half health and enemy is at full health.

Lmao, what where you using it to wand charr to death? Gimme a break, that didn't affect PvE one bit and you know it. Only PvP'ers ever used that wand.

Irongate · Aug 09, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

/disagree this would make the game confusing and annoying.

lyra_song · Aug 09, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

/not signed.

The game is composed of two parts. PvE and PvP.

Im sick of people who only play half the game insisting that their ideas are for the greater good fo the game. -.-

Demesis · Aug 09, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

That's hilarious. You're saying PVP players whine...yet you're crying about skills being changed in PVE. PVE is so static and so damn easy that I dont know why you're complaining.

Although I don't 100% agree with the OP, your logic is stupid. If the OP doesn't post about the whining PvP players then how else can he tell us about them? Even when he does, you say he's whining.

You're using a cheap tactic to throw down a forum topic, so don't use it next time.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Aug 09, 2006, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by Demesis

Although I don't 100% agree with the OP, your logic is stupid. If the OP doesn't post about the whining PvP players then how else can he tell us about them? Even when he does, you say he's whining.

You're using a cheap tactic to throw down a forum topic, so don't use it next time.

No you're the one with "stupid" logic here. Why do we even need to know that PVP players are supposedly whining? What point is he trying to make other than as a jab to other players? How does telling people that do anything? How does that point support his argument?

Dont bring your personal biases towards me into other threads Demesis.

Age · Aug 09, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

The pvp player don't do the whinning about skills it is the equipment they complain about that pve has over pvp.The skill balances are to those that are being abused in pvp.That is why you don't see gale Warriors anymore and OoB it has nothing to do with pve the only skill nerfed becuase of pve are AoE skills and protective bond because of the solo UW build.

Demesis · Aug 09, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

No you're the one with "stupid" logic here. Why do we even need to know that PVP players are supposedly whining? What point is he trying to make other than as a jab to other players? How does telling people that do anything? How does that point support his argument?

Dont bring your personal biases towards me into other threads Demesis.

Wether his argument is valid or not it's still a cheap tactic and a really stupid thing to say someone's whining. It doesn't contribute to the discussion and it spoils the thread.

Ohhh wow, personal bias! Go lookup the definition of bias in the dictionary before you use the word to contradict yourself.

shardfenix · Aug 09, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Guild wars is primarily a pvp game. Arenanet gives more priority to pvp balance than they do to pve balance.

ChildeOfMalkav · Aug 09, 2006, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

/not signed.

The game is composed of two parts. PvE and PvP.

Im sick of people who only play half the game insisting that their ideas are for the greater good fo the game. -.-

Exactly! It's stupid that people want to separate the game just because they only play half of it. You knew damn well that this is a PvP heavy game when you bought it.

And Demesis STFU, you are the one derailing the topic with your nitpicking. The OP called PVP'ers whiners so why cant we cant we do the same to him?

Edge Martinez · Aug 09, 2006, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

Guild wars is primarily a pvp game. Arenanet gives more priority to pvp balance than they do to pve balance.

I hope this isn't true. At best PvP on GW is an online version of a Magic card game. Furthermore, it's become very regimented to where it's almost like rock, paper, scissors. Spikers beats IWAY. IWAY beats Smite. Smite beats Spikers. There are far more challenging PvP games out there. Meanwhile PvE on GW is just awesome. The detail of the areas you travel through is remarkable. I seriously doubt they went through all that trouble to make it PvP primary. GW is a combination of both aspects, PvE and PvP. No one is more important than the other. That's why I think across the board rule changes are best, and cannot sign this thread.

Hockster · Aug 09, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21

I can just see him the first time he gets into an arena: "OMFG!!!!!! Why don't they stand under my uber firestorm?"

Zui · Aug 09, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez

At best PvP on GW is an online version of a Magic card game. Furthermore, it's become very regimented to where it's almost like rock, paper, scissors. Spikers beats IWAY. IWAY beats Smite. Smite beats Spikers.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but...

1) Do you even PvP, EVER?

2) Do you ever play outside of Heroes' Ascent(Excluding Random Arenas, and Alliance Battles, you can't really count them...)?

3) Do ever play on competent teams?

4) Who am I kidding, if 1 or 2 aren't a big "No" number 3 certainly is.

Please, if you have some kind of facts to back up your claim, post them in the Player versus Player fourms here. I'd love to see them, as would many other PvPers, I'm sure.

selber · Aug 09, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47

PvE sucks anyways. Get over it.

Edge Martinez · Aug 09, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Zui

I don't mean to sound harsh, but...

1) Do you even PvP, EVER?

2) Do you ever play outside of Heroes' Ascent(Excluding Random Arenas, and Alliance Battles, you can't really count them...)?

3) Do ever play on competent teams?

4) Who am I kidding, if 1 or 2 aren't a big "No" number 3 certainly is.

Please, if you have some kind of facts to back up your claim, post them in the Player versus Player fourms here. I'd love to see them, as would many other PvPers, I'm sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, my bad. I posted what I really think instead of being politically correct. Forgive, I'm tired and can almost go home. Either way, my opinion that GW is PvE and PvP and nerfs and corrections should be across the board still stands.

-Loki- · Aug 09, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez

I hope this isn't true. At best PvP on GW is an online version of a Magic card game.

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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez

Guild: DKL - Death Knight Legion - unranked

Well done.

Kamatsu · Aug 09, 2006, 06:16 AM // 06:16

This has been discussed before, and before it ends up in yet another flamefest between PVP'ers and PVE'er's..

Thread closed.